Please, I beg of you, stop claiming Doom is going to nab a bunch of kids and be a babysitter
That theory is silly and Marvel is not doing it:
Thor 4 was criticized in many ways, and one of the main ones was that Gorr, a supposed \*God butcher\*, spent most of his time holding kids hostage, instead of butchering. Do you really think Marvel is going to repeat a story beat that was mocked relentlessly, still mocked even to this day? No.
Doom isn’t stealing a bunch of kids. He just isn’t.
Might he be interested in Franklin Richards, who has the power cosmic? Sure! This is very likely. Would he give even a single crap about Steve or T’Challa’s kids? No. He doesn’t even care about Cap or Black Panther levels of power. That is far beneath Doom.
And if you then try to say, oh he will use them all as leverage. We are then back to Gorr / cliched poorly written Lifetime Channel crime movie trash levels of writing. Doom is a genius, not a two bit hoodlum.
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
Thor 4 was criticized in many ways, and one of the main ones was that Gorr, a supposed \*God butcher\*, spent most of his time holding kids hostage, instead of butchering. Do you really think Marvel is going to repeat a story beat that was mocked relentlessly, still mocked even to this day? No.
Doom isn’t stealing a bunch of kids. He just isn’t.
Might he be interested in Franklin Richards, who has the power cosmic? Sure! This is very likely. Would he give even a single crap about Steve or T’Challa’s kids? No. He doesn’t even care about Cap or Black Panther levels of power. That is far beneath Doom.
And if you then try to say, oh he will use them all as leverage. We are then back to Gorr / cliched poorly written Lifetime Channel crime movie trash levels of writing. Doom is a genius, not a two bit hoodlum.
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
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It's not really a big deal. I kinda like the Doom collecting Babies theory but I get if you're sick of it
You, or I, or anyone else thinking that plot point would be stupid does not decrease its likelihood of happening.
Doom caring about a super soldier’s kid, even if that kid has super solider powers, is absurd. There is no there there.
How about this - Especially since Thor 4 happened and had incredible backlash, and also because Doom is supposed to be Doom, it is incredibly unlikely that MCU Doom is going to kidnap a bunch of kids. Good?
That’s certainly… something. Not something logical but it is something.
Love - brought back to life, shouldn’t be alive
Steve’s kid - shouldn’t exist at all
Franklin - they said they couldn’t get pregnant for years and then they do? Could have been someone else pulling the strings
Theres other examples too but i dont remember lol
Eternity is a power of the universe and that power is baked into the universe. Who is you to say Love shouldn’t exist at all?
Steve’s kid is a kid born in a branch timeline. *Like billions of other kids*. Who are you to say that kid shouldn’t exist? What does “supposed to” or “shouldn’t” even mean in a ginormous multiverse?
Sue and Richard had trouble having kids like millions of real life humans. And 100s of 1000s of them end up having kids. Completely normal.
Hell, there's already confirmed plot points that I think are stupid.
> It's also my weekend plans
Holdup
Just need to steal some powers real quick
In and out, 15 minute kidnapping
The survival of their children is a motivator for any superhero parent but they don’t need to be kidnapped for that
The universe exploding is enough
They did the same to Kingpin almost
In a multiverse how can you say who should and shouldn’t exist? According to what? To who?
Timelines branch all the time. Kids are born. Steve having a kid in a branch is not unique.
People like Sue and Reed, have trouble having kids all the time, then they sometimes get pregnant with those low odds. Not unique. Happens 1000s of times a year in real life.
Love being brought back was a power baked into the universe according to what Thor 4 told us.
And you forgot T’Challa’s kid. Weird.
And folks cannot even say who is or is not supposed to exist. They’re making massive and completely different assumptions to claim multiple kids born in different situations all shouldn’t exist. Because.
Didn't even know it was a thing until I saw this post.
similar silly theories were flying around at the pluribus sub and one of them turned out to be true. i was equally certain. and then i was wrong and humbled.
I know that a big thing for Endgame was how kids can make the mighty vulnerable. Hawkeye went on a killing spree after his kids were snapped. Tony sacrificed it all for Morgan. Even Thanos was brought to tears over Gamora.
I wonder will that form some sort of grudging truce between the avengers and Doom so that their children will be saved.
Plus, this is an idiotic theory that made up by individual critics and insiders just for the sake to make Doomsday interesting
Just wait for official film to come then we see (sighs)
Doom: Bend over and I'll show ya.
Maybe kidnapping kids is necessary in his plan to throw the multiverse into turmoil, most parents wouldn’t hesitate to tear the world apart to save their kids the thing about these parents though is they’re actually capable of such feats.
By kidnapping the children he gets the heroes emotional they’re not thinking smartly they’re thinking purely on parental instinct which is mostly my child is in danger and I’m not letting anything touch them.
Then because these heroes are so hyper focused on their children they can’t see dooms actual intentions and what leads to him succeeding.
Oh, hi Mark
No, I don’t mean he kills off all the kids
They DID borrow elements from the much reviled One More Day for No Way Home. *Which was also a film based around nostalgia plays.* So.....
But if it’s used as a tool to get the real heroes into a story, I don’t mind it. We’ll need reasons they’re split into groups, and I can see it as a worthy impetus for their action and the story.
Haven't seen anyone mention young T'Challa in this theory as he doesn't fit those categories but I have seen Mayday Parker from Tobey's timeline suggested.
Not saying its the best idea, just saying we could all see it happening.
Honestly, they are supposedly working with a backup plan following the Kang situation and between that and expectations from viewers and shareholders, we're gonna get what we get.
See final seasons of Stranger Things, Game of Thrones, etc when it comes to high expectations, shareholder demands, and being stuck trying to figure out how to wrap up a bunch of random loose ends with a cohesive story of its own that also fits into the screentime budget.
EDIT: Also, usually I see the suggestion that Doom is snatching kids to save the multiverse/reality/one universe/etc. Like a reversal of the DP&W anchor beings concept, removing them in effort to stabilize things. Especially in direct contrast to what Sue did. Maybe it connects to some kind of power extraction, maybe it doesn't, but generally I see the speculation that its him "taking the direct approach to solve the situation in a way that no one else will consider".
We have a multiverse with countless branches. Trillions of kids born in branches. But Steve’s kid is a problem… because. But we don’t know why. Or how. What does “not meant to exist” even mean in a multiverse? Not meant according to who, or what? On what basis can you say that? There isn’t one.
We have the same problem with Love, T’challa junior, and Franklin. No actual basis for “not supposed to” “not meant to” - it’s pulled out of thin air.
At least with Franklin we were beaten over the head in an entire movie with the concept that he is insanely powerful, *so it stands to reason Doom would want him because of that power.* But the others, no.
Ba-dum, tsss!
Doesn’t mean it wouldn’t happen tho.
Thor 4 was hated yes. But I don’t think most of the hate (online at leas) was directed towards that particular aspect of the movie.
There are countless branches in the multiverse with trillions of babies. Why are some “supposed” to exist and not others?
Eternity has the power to grant basically any wish. Who is to say a wish wasn’t “supposed” to happen? Supposed to according to who? To what?
There is absolutely NO evidence Dr. Doom takes Franklin. That's not saying he doesn't take him; it's just that we have no proof that he has.
All we know is he teleports into the Fantastic Four's living room and interacts with Franklin. But consider this... if he was there to abduct Franklin, fully knowing that all four of the Fantastics could be there and stop him, wouldn't he just teleport in and take him within a second and not give anybody a chance at stopping him? In the FF mid-credits scene, he is in no hurry, kneeling there casually while he lets young Franklin examine his face. Does that sound like a kidnapping to you? Not only that, Franklin is one of the most powerful beings in his universe. Do you think anybody is going to do something to Franklin without him doing something worse to the threat? (Admittedly, I borrowed this last one from one of ScreenCrush's videos).
There is also the Thor teaser, where he is concerned and praying about his adopted daughter, Love. But what are the words of his prayer? Not "she's gone, where can she be, help me get back to her". He says "lend me the strength of the all fathers to... \*return home to her\*". If Doom is responsible for any of this, then he has transported Thor somewhere he can't get back from, at least temporarily.
I repeat: currently there is no evidence at all that Dr. Doom is abducting children, least of all Franklin Richards.
Think about it - in Endgame, Tony’s one stipulation for helping was that nothing change for him and his family. Yet, ultimately, it did. Everyone else got their families back, or now they’re free to start their own families. Tony helped the most and he lost the most.
Now, image you’re a Tony variant, learning of this. I’d be bitter.
While original Tony died and saved his family, maybe “Doom” Tony survived but lost his daughter in the “re-snap.”
Yeah.